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Well, it is not only about personal preferences and how is nicer,
etc...you should consider also the required work to do - at the end
somebody has to implement this. And my questions is: considering
that the development resources are limited, does it make sense to
invest them in just creating an alternative to something already
existing ?<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Bogdan<br>
<br>
On 04/11/2012 05:04 PM, Ali Pey wrote:
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cite="mid:CA+q4kRJ-S1SJ5j5GU9dKU+jn48Oz_ps4GfPe5kMXegEDfyEnkQ@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Saúl,
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<div>It's very simple to define a simple text pre-processor. It
would be one with only basic text/macro replacement with no
fancy features.</div>
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<div>I can understand that it would make more sense for you to use
m4, but I don't understand how this would stop you from doing
that? Your personal preference doesn't have to change.</div>
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<div>It's all about simplicity. It would make it one or two steps
shorter, faster and simpler for people that are not quite
familiar with m4 or have simple requirements. Not every user is
an expert.</div>
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</div>
<div>Ali</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Saúl
Ibarra Corretgé <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:saul@ag-projects.com" target="_blank">saul@ag-projects.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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padding-left: 1ex;">Hi all,<br>
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On Apr 10, 2012, at 6:13 PM, Ali Pey wrote:<br>
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> I also think it would be a great addition to have a
simple build-in text pre-processing. For more advance
features people can continue to use m4 as desired.<br>
><br>
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The problem is the word "simple" on your sentence :-) How do
we tell if a feature request qualifies as "simple" or not?<br>
<br>
For me, the config file is fine as it is. It does have
limitations, but m4 helps in solving them.<br>
<div><br>
> Regards,<br>
> Ali<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Nick Altmann <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nick.altmann@gmail.com" target="_blank">nick.altmann@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> Against for M4:<br>
> Configuration file may not be generated properly from
m4 file(s)<br>
> sometimes (because missed errors in m4), then server
cannot start in<br>
> some cases. It's when m4 in init.d script. When
cfg-file built from m4<br>
> manually, it's uncomfortable.<br>
><br>
> In my opinion, opensips is the most powerful sip
server, so it should<br>
> have both options. And users should make decision
which to better use<br>
> in each case.<br>
><br>
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You should not attempt to run OpenSIPS with the new
generated file before testing it, you may have made a silly
typo and the server would be stopped. You can do it in 2
steps:<br>
<br>
- Regenerate the cfg file from the m4 files and call use
opensips -c to validate the config file<br>
- Restart the service if the config was valid<br>
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><br>
> 2012/4/10 Bogdan-Andrei Iancu <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:bogdan@opensips.org"
target="_blank">bogdan@opensips.org</a>>:<br>
> > Hi,<br>
> ><br>
> > I'm bringing here a discussion started on devel
list, as I would like to get<br>
> > more opinions on the matter.<br>
> ><br>
> > The discussion started around the decision if
makes sense to have MACRO<br>
> > substitution (as text pre-processing) directly
in OpenSIPS, considering that<br>
> > right now M4 is heavenly used for this (as
additional tool to opensips).<br>
> ><br>
> > So, the debate was : have built-in text
pre-processing versus using M4 as<br>
> > text processor<br>
> ><br>
> > Pros for M4:<br>
> > - no effort to develop extra stuff - just
install M4<br>
> > - can do really complex things (more than
only macros, ifdef, include,<br>
> > etc)<br>
> > - you can use it or not<br>
> > - easy to integrate with start / stop
scripts<br>
> > Against for M4:<br>
> > - need to be installed and integrated<br>
<br>
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I'm not aware of any system where installing m4 is
troublesome.<br>
<div><br>
> > - you may have a mismatch for the line
number (if errors reported in<br>
> > cfg) between the .m4 file and .cfg file<br>
> ><br>
<br>
</div>
While this is true, you can look at the generated cfg file,
and leaving comments is also a good idea ;-)<br>
<div><br>
> > Pros for buit-in:<br>
> > - you do no need to install M4 at all
(everything comes packet)<br>
> > - you may get accurate reporting on errors
(for line in cfg)<br>
> > Against for M4:<br>
> > - more devel work to re-implement macros,
ifdef, etc<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Now, I would like to get your opinions on that
(you as opensips users), to<br>
> > see if we stick to using M4 for cfg
pre-processing or there is a real need<br>
> > to have this functionality as built-in.<br>
> ><br>
<br>
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As I said in the other thread I think that using resources
for enhancing the current configuration language is not a
good idea. Ideally I'd like to program my routing logic in a
real programming language like Python, Lua or Ruby not
something totally different which newcomers need to learn
and is not a fully blown programing language.<br>
<br>
M4 is a powerful tool which can be used together with the
current configuration language to achieve all the
requirements mentioned in the previous mail, without
modifying OpenSIPS.<br>
<br>
Maybe it would be a good idea to use m4 in the sample
configs? Having a opensips.m4 file with the main routing
logic and some local.m4 file with custom settings like DB
configs, etc could help people get their feet wet with m4.
Even adding a "opensipsctl reconfigure" command could make
sense, it could just do the following:<br>
<br>
pushd /etc/opensips<br>
m4 opensips.m4 > opensips.cfg<br>
opensips -c /etc/opensips/opensips.cfg<br>
popd<br>
<br>
So if there is an error you could see it before actually
attempting to run OpenSIPS with the change applied.<br>
<br>
Those are my 2 cents :-)<br>
<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
--<br>
Saúl Ibarra Corretgé<br>
AG Projects<br>
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