<div>With so many attendees we could start or own global federated Telecom company and beat AT&T into the ground.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 3:51 PM, David J. <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:david@styleflare.com" target="_blank">david@styleflare.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">11:01:07 AM bogdan_vs: Hi all<br>SylkServer [~<a href="mailto:SylkServe@node10.dns-hosting.info" target="_blank">SylkServe@node10.dns-hosting.info</a>] entered the room. (11:01:15 AM)<br>
bogdan_vs has changed the topic to: - OpenSIPS community meeting in progress (11:01:28 AM)<br>11:01:34 AM saghul: hi bogdan_vs<br>11:01:38 AM aidanna: howdy bogdan_vs<br>11:01:45 AM SylkServer: Adrian Georgescu <<a href="mailto:sip%3A31208005169@ag-projects.com" target="_blank">sip:31208005169@ag-projects.com</a>>: hello<br>
11:01:59 AM haloha: haloha<br>11:02:05 AM haloha: hello all<br>11:02:07 AM bogdan_vs: we have scheduled for today the first meeting<br>11:02:29 AM bogdan_vs: and the plan is to continue it each month<br>11:03:08 AM bogdan_vs: as I said per email, the purpose of this kind of meeting is to identify issues (tech or non-tech)<br>
DelphiWorld [~<a href="mailto:VoIpGuy@41.200.24.249" target="_blank">VoIpGuy@41.200.24.249</a>] entered the room. (11:03:21 AM)<br>11:03:22 AM DelphiWorld: hi<br>11:03:33 AM DelphiWorld: bogdan_vs: you overloaded my brain<br>
11:03:38 AM bogdan_vs: and not necessarily to solve them here (as this is more complicated)<br>11:03:46 AM DelphiWorld: bogdan_vs: i did /join #bogdan_vs no #opensips<br>11:03:51 AM bogdan_vs: DelphiWorld: take a deep breath<br>
11:03:58 AM DelphiWorld: bogdan_vs:<br>11:04:05 AM DelphiWorld: bogsee you soon in romania<br>11:04:11 AM DelphiWorld: bogdan_vs: see you soon in romania<br>11:04:33 AM bogdan_vs: and the topic of this first meeting is actually the meeting framework itself<br>
duane [~<a href="mailto:duane@12.37.251.126" target="_blank">duane@12.37.251.126</a>] entered the room. (11:04:35 AM)<br>11:04:49 AM DelphiWorld: bogdan_vs: when? tomorrow?<br>11:04:59 AM bogdan_vs: to make it as simple, accessible and pleasant for everybody<br>
11:05:09 AM bogdan_vs: DelphiWorld: the meeting is now<br>11:05:42 AM bogdan_vs: My original idea was to use something text based (chat) and next step was IRC<br>11:06:09 AM bogdan_vs: now the question is if chat-like IRC is ok or we can come up with something better<br>
11:06:31 AM p3k4y: google wave<br>11:06:56 AM bogdan_vs: p3k4y: not familiar with that - what's that ?<br>skynet [5aa59c1f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.<a href="tel:90.165.156.31" target="_blank"><a href="tel:90.165.156.31" target="_blank"><a href="tel:90.165.156.31" target="_blank">90.165.156.31</a></a></a>] entered the room. (11:07:10 AM)<br>
11:07:29 AM bogdan_vs: any suggestion on that ? or brave ideas ?<br>11:07:30 AM bogdan_vs:<br>samu60 [d424476d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.<a href="tel:212.36.71.109" target="_blank"><a href="tel:212.36.71.109" target="_blank"><a href="tel:212.36.71.109" target="_blank">212.36.71.109</a></a></a>] entered the room. (11:07:30 AM)<br>
skynet left the room. (11:07:34 AM)<br>11:07:38 AM Amduscias: you didn't miss anything imho.. some combined version of email, IM and colaboration work..<br>11:07:42 AM saghul: bogdan_vs: adding audio would be nice IMHO<br>
STenyaK [~<a href="mailto:quassel@66.Red-80-25-84.staticIP.rima-tde.net" target="_blank">quassel@66.Red-80-25-84.staticIP.rima-tde.net</a>] entered the room. (11:07:49 AM)<br>11:07:53 AM p3k4y: bogdan_vs: ah, it was a communication "revolution" based in javascript that google released last year. Unfortunately it didn't catch on and they canned it. It was a tongue in cheek suggestion<br>
11:08:05 AM Amduscias: imho IRC is good, you don't need to be 100% aware as on a phone call.. and you can silence the room (moderate it) if needed..<br>11:08:18 AM aidanna: anything a sip client would work with would be fine with me, but I do like the text base format and simplicity of IRC<br>
11:08:29 AM p3k4y: +1 for IRC<br>11:08:37 AM viraptor: yeah - irc is nice... #vuc does conference which seems to be audio + backlog sorted out on irc<br>FlavioEGoncalves [~<a href="mailto:FlavioEGo@189.34.13.90" target="_blank">FlavioEGo@189.34.13.90</a>] entered the room. (11:08:47 AM)<br>
11:08:49 AM svenschulz: IRC is fine for now.<br>11:09:34 AM SylkServer: Adrian Georgescu <<a href="mailto:sip%3A31208005169@ag-projects.com" target="_blank">sip:31208005169@ag-projects.com</a>>: If you use Blink on Mac go to menu Call -> Join Conference -> opensips You end up in this IRC channel with chat and wide-band audio bridge<br>
11:09:37 AM bogdan_vs: the only attractive part on audio is to broadcast something, speaking is ffaster<br>11:09:51 AM saghul: bogdan_vs: exactly<br>11:09:57 AM duane: Audio would be nice, but it was mentioned that there would be a language barrier for a lot of people<br>
11:10:15 AM saghul: recordings and IRC logs could then be posted on the website or something.<br>11:10:29 AM viraptor: then again - if you plan to spell out any paths / names / modules / configuration lines, we probably would need irc anyways<br>
11:10:34 AM bogdan_vs: so maybe in some cases we can have front IRC text channel and an audio back channel maybe<br>11:11:00 AM saghul: duane: Those who want to ask questions or make comments may still do it on IRC<br>11:11:05 AM bogdan_vs: duane: text everybody has - audio maybe not - TRUE<br>
11:11:22 AM duane: True. I for one would like Audio<br>11:11:26 AM bogdan_vs: saghul: we have a recorded for IRC - it logs, but still working on posting the logs<br>11:11:41 AM bogdan_vs: saghul: check the "recorder_" buddy<br>
11:11:42 AM saghul: bogdan_vs: good to know<br>11:11:42 AM aidanna: i say try it and see<br>11:12:01 AM bogdan_vs: viraptor: IRC as primary , permanent, default<br>duane is now known as DuaneLarson (11:12:11 AM)<br>11:12:14 AM bogdan_vs: audio maybe time to time for special cases, maybe<br>
11:13:12 AM DelphiWorld: SylkServer: hey adrian!<br>11:13:19 AM saghul: Good thing about audio is the fact I don't need to be reading if I just want to be listening<br>11:13:37 AM saghul: Also, we speak faster than we type<br>
11:13:39 AM bogdan_vs: saghul: on the other hand you do not have history<br>11:13:48 AM SylkServer: Adrian Georgescu <<a href="mailto:sip%3A31208005169@ag-projects.com" target="_blank">sip:31208005169@ag-projects.com</a>>: <a href="mailto:opensips@conference.sip2sip.info" target="_blank">opensips@conference.sip2sip.info</a><br>
11:13:57 AM saghul: bogdan_vs: we could easily have recordings<br>11:14:03 AM SylkServer: Adrian Georgescu <<a href="mailto:sip%3A31208005169@ag-projects.com" target="_blank">sip:31208005169@ag-projects.com</a>>: We can record the audio and publish it afterwards<br>
11:14:09 AM bogdan_vs: if you missed 2 mins, that's it...on text you can scroll back<br>11:14:30 AM bogdan_vs: the idea is to be realtime, as much os possible<br>11:15:03 AM SylkServer: Adrian Georgescu <<a href="mailto:sip%3A31208005169@ag-projects.com" target="_blank">sip:31208005169@ag-projects.com</a>>: IRC is most compatible and can be recorded, very good media<br>
vlad_paiu [~<a href="mailto:vlad@89.122.33.81" target="_blank">vlad@89.122.33.81</a>] entered the room. (11:15:34 AM)<br>11:16:11 AM SylkServer: Adrian Georgescu <<a href="mailto:sip%3A31208005169@ag-projects.com" target="_blank">sip:31208005169@ag-projects.com</a>>: DelphiWorld: hello too<br>
11:16:18 AM bogdan_vs: ok, so let's stay with IRC as primary, I will take care of logs<br>11:16:21 AM DelphiWorld: adrian can you open aditional port in <a href="http://sip2sip.info/" target="_blank">sip2sip.info</a>?<br>
11:16:33 AM SylkServer: Adrian Georgescu <<a href="mailto:sip%3A31208005169@ag-projects.com" target="_blank">sip:31208005169@ag-projects.com</a>>: Is open <a href="mailto:opensips@conference.sip2sip.info" target="_blank">opensips@conference.sip2sip.info</a><br>
11:16:36 AM SylkServer: Adrian Georgescu <<a href="mailto:sip%3A31208005169@ag-projects.com" target="_blank">sip:31208005169@ag-projects.com</a>>: <a href="mailto:sip%3Aopensips@conference.sip2sip.info" target="_blank">sip:opensips@conference.sip2sip.info</a><br>
untiptun [~<a href="mailto:alex@89.122.33.81" target="_blank">alex@89.122.33.81</a>] entered the room. (11:16:48 AM)<br>11:16:59 AM SylkServer: Adrian Georgescu <<a href="mailto:sip%3A31208005169@ag-projects.com" target="_blank">sip:31208005169@ag-projects.com</a>>: If someone has DIDs can point to it<br>
11:17:06 AM bogdan_vs: and we will publish the logs after each meeting (and eventually some action points)<br>11:17:25 AM DelphiWorld: adrian<br>11:17:28 AM DelphiWorld: what did you need<br>11:17:30 AM DelphiWorld: i can provide<br>
11:18:48 AM saghul: bogdan_vs: Sounds good. It might also be nice to have a small 'agenda' before each meeting, to have something to start with.<br>11:18:50 AM bogdan_vs: btw, how many of you will be willing to join a SIP chat ?<br>
11:18:58 AM SylkServer: Adrian Georgescu <<a href="mailto:sip%3A31208005169@ag-projects.com" target="_blank">sip:31208005169@ag-projects.com</a>>: <a href="mailto:sip%3Aopensips@conference.sip2sip.info" target="_blank">sip:opensips@conference.sip2sip.info</a><br>
11:19:20 AM bogdan_vs: saghul: that is clear - we willpublish the agenda with 1 week before<br>11:19:29 AM saghul: What kind os SIP chat? SIP MESSAGE? MSRP?<br>11:19:52 AM bogdan_vs: SylkServer: simple SIP chat - we have in opensips the chat module for that<br>
11:20:01 AM bogdan_vs: so you need to support MESSAGE , that's it<br>11:20:13 AM saghul: Oh, the imc module<br>11:20:42 AM bogdan_vs: I think it will be compatible with most of the SIP soft clients having MESSAGE<br>11:21:10 AM bogdan_vs: so, any victims willing to try sometime in the future? after all we do SIP, so we could try to use it<br>
11:21:25 AM osas: For now, I think that we should stick with IRC (we have logs and it is way easier to review IRC logs then listening to a redorded voice conference)<br>11:21:34 AM DelphiWorld: sack: please try +441613530284<br>
11:21:51 AM bogdan_vs: Ovidiu Sas: SIP text chat, not audio<br>11:22:03 AM svenschulz: I can be a future SIP victim<br>11:22:08 AM DelphiWorld: saghul: please try +441613530284<br>11:22:08 AM osas: I know<br>11:22:17 AM bogdan_vs: more or less, the experience will be like IRC, but the infrastructure based on SIP<br>
11:22:22 AM aidanna: well, since this is a sip communication server project, can make sense<br>11:22:39 AM osas: we can try later on with SIP, but for now, IRC is good enough<br>11:22:40 AM bogdan_vs: well, at least we can experiment at some point....<br>
11:22:51 AM bogdan_vs: osas: right, I agree<br>11:22:56 AM saghul: bogdan_vs: count me in for experimenting<br>ghenry [~<a href="mailto:ghenry@ghenry.plus.com" target="_blank">ghenry@ghenry.plus.com</a>] entered the room. (11:22:58 AM)<br>
ghenry left the room (quit: Changing host). (11:22:58 AM)<br>ghenry [~ghenry@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/ghenry] entered the room. (11:22:58 AM)<br>11:23:03 AM osas: we need to focus on what we want to achieve<br>11:23:06 AM bogdan_vs: saghul: sure I will<br>
11:23:10 AM osas: also, we need to set up some policies<br>11:23:21 AM bogdan_vs: osas: go on ....<br>11:23:45 AM osas: to many ppl are speacking now and the distraction is a little bit to much<br>11:23:49 AM DelphiWorld: bogdan_vs: i provided +441613530284<br>
11:24:11 AM osas: so, I would like to setup some rules:<br>11:24:18 AM saghul: DelphiWorld: lets stick to text for now<br>11:24:28 AM bogdan_vs: osas: well, the idea is to follow the topics, step by step...<br>11:24:32 AM DelphiWorld: saghul: i listened to adrian, thay asked for a did's<br>
11:24:41 AM SylkServer: Adrian Georgescu <<a href="mailto:sip%3A31208005169@ag-projects.com" target="_blank">sip:31208005169@ag-projects.com</a>>: For the future...<br>11:24:44 AM osas: bogdan_vs: you need to set the topic of the first item that we want to discuss, and we need to keep the conversation focus<br>
11:25:10 AM osas: in other words, everyone should speack only if is something related to the item being discussed<br>11:25:16 AM bogdan_vs: osas: that's already in place - for each meeting we will have the topic list in advance<br>
karthik [~<a href="mailto:chatzilla@183.83.50.24" target="_blank">chatzilla@183.83.50.24</a>] entered the room. (11:25:28 AM)<br>11:25:29 AM osas: ok<br>11:25:33 AM bogdan_vs: osas: that is also current and polite<br>11:25:41 AM osas: for now, I think we are ok with the fact that we will use IRC<br>
11:25:49 AM bogdan_vs: yes<br>11:25:53 AM osas: perfect<br>11:26:05 AM osas: now, we need to move on to the next topic<br>11:26:09 AM bogdan_vs: another one for today is the time<br>11:26:17 AM DuaneLarson: *Raises Hand to talk*<br>
11:26:27 AM bogdan_vs: if this 17:00 CET is ok for most of us<br>FlavioGonc [~<a href="mailto:FlavioEGo@189.34.13.90" target="_blank">FlavioEGo@189.34.13.90</a>] entered the room. (11:26:29 AM)<br>11:26:33 AM bogdan_vs: DuaneLarson: yup<br>
11:26:42 AM aidanna: i'm good with it, in EST US but very easy to do IRC at work<br>11:26:44 AM DuaneLarson: Just wanted to show that could be a good option<br>11:27:00 AM DuaneLarson: instead of barging in on the conversation, or not<br>
11:27:00 AM bogdan_vs: DuaneLarson: which is ?<br>11:27:14 AM osas: DuaneLarson: if someone has something to say and it's relevant, just say it<br>11:27:18 AM DuaneLarson: raising your hand that is. Would be a good optino<br>
11:27:22 AM DuaneLarson: ok<br>11:27:31 AM osas: too many extra logs makes the reading tiring<br>11:27:39 AM DuaneLarson: Osas, you were talking about some rules. Just thought that might fit<br>11:27:47 AM DuaneLarson:<br>
11:27:48 AM bogdan_vs: ah....ok ...but overhead is a bit higher ...<br>11:27:56 AM osas: yup<br>11:28:00 AM osas: let's keep it simple<br>11:28:05 AM svenschulz: Back to original question, yes this time works for me EST<br>
11:28:18 AM osas: talk if you have something to say (related to the topic)<br>11:28:20 AM bogdan_vs: and after all it is a public conversation (following some rules), not some moderated show<br>11:28:47 AM DuaneLarson: cool<br>
11:28:53 AM bogdan_vs: ok, back to the time issue - anything against it ? other better idea ? (with arguments, of course)<br>11:29:10 AM osas: timing seems to be good for most of us (no complains so far)<br>11:29:18 AM DuaneLarson: Agreed on time<br>
11:30:15 AM bogdan_vs: ok, so we have the answers for : where - IRC, how - chat, when - 17:00 CET<br>11:30:35 AM svenschulz: once a week, right?<br>11:30:40 AM bogdan_vs: now, last thing:<br>11:30:45 AM saghul: would it always be on tuedays?<br>
11:30:57 AM DelphiWorld: 63 users! bogdan_vs! first time<br>11:31:18 AM bogdan_vs: the rule is: monthly, second Wednesday of each month.<br>11:31:32 AM DelphiWorld: e<br>11:31:44 AM osas: that is fine (monthly seems to be reasonable)<br>
11:31:48 AM bogdan_vs: so, once per month<br>11:31:53 AM DuaneLarson: Will you send out updates like usual (Linkden, mailing list, etc) for each meeting<br>11:31:54 AM saghul: bogdan_vs: fine with me also<br>11:32:03 AM svenschulz: works<br>
11:32:07 AM bogdan_vs: DuaneLarson: sure<br>deonv1 left the room (quit: Quit: Leaving.). (11:32:34 AM)<br>11:33:01 AM bogdan_vs: last one - how to collect ideas for the next topics ?<br>11:33:16 AM osas: a wiki page<br>11:33:24 AM saghul: +1 to that<br>
11:33:30 AM osas: that will host logs from previous meetings<br>11:33:37 AM osas: topic for each meeting<br>11:33:38 AM FlavioGonc: wiki is fine.<br>11:33:39 AM bogdan_vs: I like the idea<br>11:34:01 AM DuaneLarson: *Likes the idea*<br>
11:34:20 AM bogdan_vs: ok - so everything is place....<br>11:34:32 AM viraptor: maybe some voting on the previous meeting if the next ideas are already known?<br>11:34:53 AM bogdan_vs: something other things regarding the organizing ?<br>
11:35:36 AM bogdan_vs: viraptor: maybe on wiki? people can second an idea ...<br>11:36:59 AM bogdan_vs: ok - let's stick to wiki and people supporting ideas there (counter for how many people are supporting the idea)<br>
11:37:31 AM bogdan_vs: so more or less this was all about this first meeting<br>11:37:40 AM bogdan_vs: to have things in place for the future<br>11:38:05 AM bogdan_vs: regarding the topics: please remember - we discuss here topics, not trying to find the solutions for them<br>
11:38:23 AM osas: we need to keep the meeting short and focus<br>11:38:27 AM hurinth: things like improving documentation right?<br>11:38:35 AM osas: for discussing solutions, we have the mailing list<br>11:38:43 AM bogdan_vs: once we identified and talked about the ides, we will find channel to solve it<br>
11:38:51 AM bogdan_vs: osas: right<br>11:38:55 AM FlavioGonc: Topic suggestion: Where opensips wants to be in 5 years?<br>11:39:04 AM bogdan_vs: hurinth: why not<br>11:39:15 AM bogdan_vs: FlavioGonc: too long shot<br>11:39:53 AM bogdan_vs: ok - I will post on email and web the result of this meeting and the page for collecting the topics<br>
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UnixDev_ [~UnixDev@unaffiliated/unixdev] entered the room. (11:40:18 AM)<br>11:40:26 AM bogdan_vs: Thanks to everyone participating<br>SylkServer left the room (quit: Remote host closed the connection). (11:40:48 AM)<br>11:40:48 AM viraptor: shortest meeting I've been to in month - good!<br>
11:41:07 AM viraptor: thanks Bogdan<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Users mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Users@lists.opensips.org" target="_blank">Users@lists.opensips.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.opensips.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users" target="_blank">http://lists.opensips.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users</a><br>
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