[OpenSIPS-Users] [Fwd: [Serdev] the sip router project]

[Adrian Georgescu]

Brett,

You should only worry only when you see that no new code is being  
committed or no end-users are supported or is silence on the mailing  
list. When that happens that definitely is a bad sign, the project  
either stagnated or there is no market demand anymore.

Until that moment for all of us involved is business as usual as your  
have seen in the last 5 years or so. If you plot a graph you will see  
that every year this discussion happens and no end users are really  
suffering from it.

So learn to live with it as we all do and tell your customers that is  
business as usual.

Adrian

On Nov 6, 2008, at 4:22 PM, Brett Nemeroff wrote:

> All,
> I'm probably well out of line commenting on any of this. However, I  
> thought it might be worthwhile for you to have some opinions of  
> users, like me, who are not involved in the politics but are  
> genuinely interested in using the product.
>
> I've been using some flavor of SER for the last 5 or 6 years now. I  
> love the product. It's always been great. It's well documented and  
> it "just plain works". I started with SER when that was all there  
> was. Then the needed to use the LCR module caused me to jump the  
> OpenSER (as it seemed OpenSER was a bit more progressive). The  
> latest fork caused me, and my clients to wonder "What the heck is  
> going on?", and "Which project do we use now?". It certainly took a  
> huge hit in confidence.
>
> As a user, I can't answer the question of which product to use. I  
> don't really know the difference between the two (especially since  
> it's so easy to switch between one and the other). The latest  
> addition of the drouting module makes me want to stick with  
> opensips. Besides that, I don't have any good reason to be with one  
> or the other. I hope that doesn't offend anyone.
>
> Seriously tho. We as users are confused. Sure, I'm trying to read  
> and keep up with all of these emails. What do I think? Does it  
> matter? I think you guys are all brilliant and I tend to think if  
> you put your heads together, you'll most definitely come up with  
> something better than individual projects. As is the nature of any  
> project consisting of more than one intelligent being, there will  
> ALWAYS be dissension amongst peers. Especially since you are all so  
> bright. I think a fork is necessary if the products are going to  
> eventually become two separate products. However, if it's the same  
> product, and there is a disagreement between methodologies, then I'd  
> recommend that you form a technical advisory board consisting of  
> Users AND Developers which will provide an impartial vote on the  
> direction. This is a very common method of formulating technical  
> direction in many start up organizations. The loyalties to  
> individual developers is ridiculous and will hurt the product. The  
> loyalty should be to the end product and the the clients using the  
> product.
>
> Now that being said, I'd like to disclaim it by saying "I don't know  
> what the heck I'm talking about". And that I respect all of you and  
> that I love what you've come up with. Please, for our sakes, find a  
> way to work together.
> -Brett
>
> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 5:24 AM, Bogdan-Andrei Iancu <bogdan at voice-system.ro 
> > wrote:
> I will simply ignore this email as I find it extremely rude and
> completely disconnected from reality.
>
> Only a single note: there is no bitterness and negativism - only  
> keeping
> my feet on the ground and looking further the glorious words and
> political movements. Simply being realistic.
>
> Let's say I have inside information as you come with the same proposal
> to me (to merge opensips into ser) and based on this I have my own
> understanding of the reasons and of the goals of this un-forking.
> Unfortunately everything is pure politics and survival.
>
> Bogdan
>
> Jiri Kuthan wrote:
> > Hi Bogdan,
> >
> > first of all, I find particular bitterness and negativism in your  
> email
> > -- I sincerely hope you will find that actually this project is  
> aimed
> > very positively, and will find your ways to contribute to its  
> success.
> >
> >
> > Of course that's not invitation just to you, but to anyone seriosly
> > contributing to SER (and all of its variants). I think we have had
> > enough forking confusion and we better spend time on developing SER
> > as opposed to balkanizing it.
> >
>
>
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